tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post1548560315649705690..comments2012-07-19T18:16:11.736+02:00Comments on ppenz: Menu BarsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10339806249189186547noreply@blogger.comBlogger82125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-82498952281605651952012-06-28T07:48:23.932+02:002012-06-28T07:48:23.932+02:00Really man,
after you gnomeyfied dolphin im not s...Really man,<br /><br />after you gnomeyfied dolphin im not sad that you leave the project.<br /><br />I think its better when someone takes it over which have a real passion for well integrated desktops for non-noobsVamp898http://www.ignaz.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-13527004747434563872011-11-14T18:46:20.122+01:002011-11-14T18:46:20.122+01:00What is this obsession with saving screen space. N...<b>What is this obsession with saving screen space. Not everyone is working on 11" laptops... </b><br /><br />And not everyone are using applications in fullscreen or having 100 icons all around window. <br /><br />The idea of having single drop list to configure is terrible, now when it is been in use almost half a year.<br /><br />The configuration button should be go away. It should not be placed to window manager either but it should not be forced to be on right side of toolbar. Now people can not hide toolbar as they dont have access to the menubar what is hidden as well. <br /><br />And it takes space and looks bad on right side.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-14946071447874381672011-08-16T00:57:38.795+02:002011-08-16T00:57:38.795+02:00Awesome work, blazing fast performance and really ...Awesome work, blazing fast performance and really great transitions. Love it! Hats off to you!!!Vishesh Yadavhttp://www.vishesh-yadav.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-3380691983531554962011-07-22T19:40:45.561+02:002011-07-22T19:40:45.561+02:00Returning to a previous folder, keeping into view ...Returning to a previous folder, keeping into view the file or folder that was selected: This would be a great feature for Dolphin.<br /><br />Who does not hate having to rescan a file or folder that had already been selected?Sergio Gellihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12504935931600390101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-38624847529723820412011-07-21T02:31:38.646+02:002011-07-21T02:31:38.646+02:00I don't miss the menu bar in chromium either b...I don't miss the menu bar in chromium either but I like to keep it in other apps than the webbrowser. Dolphin looks too simplified as you show it - IMHO. A subjectively perfect dolphin window layout for me looks like this: http://secretpicdump.com/de/view/11766_2a30b_dolphin.jpg/<br />But it's a nice idea to give the user more control over the layout of the interface.Susanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05246329634574051617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-46762655040541250102011-06-28T13:20:56.342+02:002011-06-28T13:20:56.342+02:00Nice simple interface! How about replacing the wre...Nice simple interface! How about replacing the wrench icon with a gear... it is (or can be) nice and simple and stresses that it is a KDE program. And it strengthens the KDE brand :)Johannes Tophøj Rasmussenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02217700233097600290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-53086294596837790432011-06-16T05:12:49.024+02:002011-06-16T05:12:49.024+02:00It still looks messy and confused. e.g. Why do som...It still looks messy and confused. e.g. Why do some icons have text associated and others not?<br /><br />Also, you've committed the change already before getting feedback? Maybe a designer should look at it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-54822991834451698662011-06-09T17:35:37.469+02:002011-06-09T17:35:37.469+02:00What is this obsession with saving screen space. N...What is this obsession with saving screen space. Not everyone is working on 11" laptops...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-34801140275167010222011-04-27T01:18:35.075+02:002011-04-27T01:18:35.075+02:00Dolphin is absolutely the best file browser. Perio...Dolphin is absolutely the best file browser. Period. Dude, you rock! Did you ever think about making mouse forward and backward buttons work out of the box?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-11754915285288129422011-04-22T21:24:02.037+02:002011-04-22T21:24:02.037+02:00Looks nice, congrats on taking such a brave decisi...Looks nice, congrats on taking such a brave decision. Should testdrive Dolphin again on my GNOME desktop.mikhashttp://taschenorakel.de/michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-74872970693485028422011-04-14T02:38:40.507+02:002011-04-14T02:38:40.507+02:00because my primary work not includes IT tech I jus...because my primary work not includes IT tech I just love KDE, I don't know where to write my idea and I hope someone will read this and make it real,...<br /><br />so I have 2 suggestions:<br /><br /> - put the buttons: icons, details columns in one icon (saved space). Preview as separate icon (or check box) so user will be able to preview the context of the: text doc, pictures even videos with possibility to play. Put option to chose where will be the preview window (left, right or bottom of the opened window)<br /> - Navigation through the folders ??? similar as nautilus- elementary,... I like that.<br /><br />USE WINDOW DECORATION (background of the folders),... white is boring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-90107905679760005182011-04-13T16:35:35.210+02:002011-04-13T16:35:35.210+02:00I think this is definitely a move in the right dir...I think this is definitely a move in the right direction. Still I believe that Martin Graesslin's idea of putting this button in the decoration is better because:<br /><br />1. it would work with all applications that support d-bus menu (most apps) - no need to rewrite all the apps to ensure consistency.<br /><br />2. It looks better (opinion).<br /><br />3. Again, consistency! And economy. Everything that's needed is already in place, all is required is to modify the decorations. <br /><br />Martin's idea:<br />http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/03/menu-button-inside-window-decorations/<br /><br />But yeah your concept is spot on, and it's always good to see this kind of initiatives, so thank you for your work!<br /><br />(P.S. I love the new search bar!)Flavsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-5805496810365027132011-04-13T12:38:08.319+02:002011-04-13T12:38:08.319+02:00@xapient: I think up button is not included becaus...@xapient: I think up button is not included because you can click on the precious folder in the breadcrumb (the place where you have the current folder), So usually it isn't needed unless you're used to it.<br />I've always had it in my toolbar too, but I decided to start using the breadcrumb and found no problems.damipereiranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-10139050209617918792011-04-12T08:58:32.063+02:002011-04-12T08:58:32.063+02:00one quick question:
the "new" screensho...one quick question:<br /><br />the "new" screenshot has this configured toolbar that looks very similar to my own configuration..<br /><br />BUT i always add the "up" button beside "go back" and "go forward" and a "reload" button (which is often needed on networkfolders etc.)<br /><br />what is the reason this buttons are not in the default config.. "go UP" is very essential i think when working with lots of "places" so "go back" is no replacement for "go up" because it leads to an other folder somewhere in the system...<br /><br />thx anyway! dolphin is becoming a great alternative to konquerorxapienthttp://typex-press.eunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-51803878366406589152011-04-09T17:04:18.383+02:002011-04-09T17:04:18.383+02:00@Fri13:
Why not implement this ctrl-m feature lik...@Fri13:<br /><br />Why not implement this ctrl-m feature like this: <br /><br />you hit ctrl-m -> if the windowmanager supports this, show menu as menubutton in windeco, else hide it completely <br /><br />if menubutton is already in windeco (because of prior ctrl-m) and you hit ctrl-m again -> hide menu completely<br /><br />hit ctrl-m again and menubar is back! <br />______________________________<br />OR - provide an option in systemsettings<br /><br />(*) ctrl-m hides menubar completely <br />(*) ctrl-m switches between menubar and menubutton<br /><br />so everyone shoud be pleasedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-91625162133732704012011-04-09T02:29:45.293+02:002011-04-09T02:29:45.293+02:00There is 1 problem with the global "hide menu...There is 1 problem with the global "hide menubar" it can't be default, anywhere, if you want to give users default uncluttered dolphin, that can't do it, I think that if it's done right, it will be better than normal menues.<br />advantages:<br />1-Less clutter. So it is easier to find things.<br />2-Saves space (you notice on a netbook)damipereiranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-42703052802406437892011-04-08T10:19:15.477+02:002011-04-08T10:19:15.477+02:00"Those 2 issues you are mentioning should be ..."Those 2 issues you are mentioning should be bug reports, you are right complaining about that, but about the menu, most people don't use it, not even touch it, so having the menu in a button, makes the app less cluttered, and at least for me easier and better to work with, I can find the important stuff easier because there's less stuff that can be seen, while at the same time all the features remain."<br /><br />So lets make the easy and already working thing and move Ctrl+M functionality to kdelibs where it has been wanted since KDE 3 times instead it being implented per application.<br /><br />I dont use menubar than in actually one application and it is having changes for that, still keeping the menubars available!<br /><br />Most used KDE applications what most even belongs to KDE SC, supports the Ctrl+M functionality. But not all and that is the problem what can be avoided by using a QtCurve or Bespin styles. <br />But reasoning to move application controls to window decoration is not wise at all. Window manager is a own program, it is not part of the application what people see. They have two totally different jobs and window manager is more important because it takes care of the window management for the user. If it crash, it can be restarted. If user does not like it, it can be changed. If user does not like a style, it can be changed. If user does not like decoration position, it can be moved.<br /><br />Now there is a "great idea" that menubar is bad and it needs to be removed.<br />No, menubar is not bad at all. The problem is that it is on the way. The drop down list is one of the best ones. It is very fast to read and clear. (It needs little tweaking tough like for touch screens bigger fonts/entries but it is possible already do!).<br /><br />Drop down menubar functionality is not broken, so dont fix that.<br />Window manager is not broken, dont fix that either.<br /><br />What is broken, is that Ctrl+M functionality is not in kdelibs. It is not a global functionality to all KDE applications. It is not possible to change shortcut globally but only per app. That is broken.<br /><br />Fixes for most problems (without cousing more than these ideas to join window manager and menubars) is:<br /><br />1. Add Ctrl+M functionality to kdelibs so every KDE application use it<br /><br />2. Disable the Ctrl+M shortcut and/or functionality by default so user need to enable it from system settings if there comes lots of problems by people hiding menu by accident and does not know how to get it back.<br /><br />And thats it. We fixed the visual problem, while maintaining many other features like:<br /><br />- Having a different window manager than KWin (there are those, not all use same KDE SC as default)<br /><br />- Having a other window decoration than Oxygen but like BII, Nitrogen or even like Bespin where decoration can be in the side of the window!<br /><br />- Having a different setup of window decoration buttons, like Mac OS style or like I do have, no buttons at all!<br /><br />- Having a easy and big place to drag, resize and any other way control the window (close window, shade window, minimize window, maximize window, on all VD's etc etc! The "move from any empty space" does not help there, neither does Alt+Mouse button 1/2!<br /><br />@Emmanuel Bourgerie<br /><br />"OMG ! You DID it ! You hid text for some actions but not some others on the same toolbar. How did you do ? Is it a work-around for Dolphin ? A component in KDE ? Or can I do that on my Qt app ?"<br /><br />Just go to configure toolbar buttons (right click toolbar) and then from right side of set buttons what are shown, select one and click "Change text". There you have a tick to hide text if it is configured to be a side of icon. This feature came at KDE SC 4.5 release. And I had mockups and bug reports for this features maybe since 4.1 that there would be a tick in the list side of the icons without need to go "Change text" button to select it.Fri13https://www.blogger.com/profile/00914958546817888010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-80868467822761213082011-04-08T09:38:47.228+02:002011-04-08T09:38:47.228+02:00Just a suggestion : IMO, you should keep the searc...Just a suggestion : IMO, you should keep the search field near the "config" button.Emmanuel Bourgeriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845986851936188319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-68244311857616455892011-04-08T07:38:35.867+02:002011-04-08T07:38:35.867+02:00OMG ! You DID it ! You hid text for some actions b...OMG ! You DID it ! You hid text for some actions but not some others on the same toolbar. How did you do ? Is it a work-around for Dolphin ? A component in KDE ? Or can I do that on my Qt app ?Emmanuel Bourgeriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17845986851936188319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-91412452890563757522011-04-08T06:09:45.722+02:002011-04-08T06:09:45.722+02:00@anonymous:
Removing options that are not so used,...@anonymous:<br />Removing options that are not so used, makes really used options easier to find, I feel comfortable without the menubar, because I don't use it, and when I'm looking at the toolbar, my brain thinks about the menubar too.<br />About additional menu clicks, they shouldn't be, unless for not common tasks, because the menu button, will be like firefox menu button (I hope) so important stuff is still there, while things like "help" and "go" don't clutter with options that aren't used or are available on the toolbar.<br />I'm not saying this solution work for everyone, as I don't feel comfortable with a menubar, some others won't feel comfortable with no menubar, we are all different, that's why it can be configured, but still, if done right, that "multi clicking" won't happen, even there will be less clicks, as you can't miss when looking the option it's all in one place.damipereiranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-19474270140834270142011-04-07T21:18:48.961+02:002011-04-07T21:18:48.961+02:00One thing that always bugged me: Why isn't the...One thing that always bugged me: Why isn't the free disk space bar showed by default?<br />Its one of the most important things for a filemanager to do imho, and it doesn't take much display space anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-82595440543804469032011-04-06T00:31:59.791+02:002011-04-06T00:31:59.791+02:00@damipereira
That are the point I find wrong.
a) &...@damipereira<br />That are the point I find wrong.<br />a) "clutter" because of a simple, usual menu line vs a "multiclick or keypress" - hard to find, one button solution. Why? Why make my life/work harder?<br />b) "some like it that way" is not the correct way to develop user interaction.<br />"Less clutter" should mean that you can go directly to what you need faster and directly, not the opposite (hard to find "actions" in hidden menu).<br />I remember the old "slavery days" when I was under Windows and M$ introduced the new IE interface, with buttons that had no visual clue about being buttons and not just "background" and also nothing visual about their state, except when you pass over them with the mouse.<br />Aesthetically very pleasant, but a nightmare to use.<br />User interface design is for user interaction experts, not for programmers or, even worse, aesthetes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-5743484547802071732011-04-05T18:32:48.185+02:002011-04-05T18:32:48.185+02:00How does it work with windows groups?How does it work with windows groups?mpstylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16595035427330947294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-34746362240635426682011-04-05T17:18:20.165+02:002011-04-05T17:18:20.165+02:00thx!
http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea8577...thx!<br /><br />http://forum.kde.org/brainstorm.php#idea85775_page1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-591179528445148028.post-17124357369879050742011-04-04T20:32:42.116+02:002011-04-04T20:32:42.116+02:00that is exactly how i want dolphin preconfigured.....that is exactly how i want dolphin preconfigured.. i always hide the menubar (after initial configuration you don't need it anymore), i allways set the toolbar to "icons only" (it takes 1 minute to learn the meaning of all icons so no text is needed) and i already filed a request on brainstorm kde forum to lock the toolbars and remove the titles ...<br /><br />please implement it right away! i love it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com